For a whole week the estate agent decided to do nothing with our low ball offer as he felt it would anger the owners. We found this out on Monday when he finally decided to respond to our emails and telephone message and update us on where we stood. Needless to say, we were not happy.
Our offer was an initial offer as is often practiced in the world of property, a starting point for negotiations. The agent seemed to have difficulty grasping this as well as our reasoning behind the offer, which is worrying to say the least. We decided that it would be safer if we could negotiate without having to rely on him in the middle.
This is yet another example of how estate agents can be totally unprofessional in France. I know they have a bad reputation generally which is a shame as there are great agents out there who do a fantastic job, but this agent is yet another example of how poor they can be. When I think that he will pocket anywhere between 7 000 Euros and 18 000 Euros approximately in commission drives me wild. Sometimes it’s best not to think about these things.
Having suggested that he arrange an appointment for us to meet the owner, it took four days (yes, four whole working days) for the appointment to be arranged and confirmed with all parties. The appointment is today and Mr Piglet will be setting off on his own with strict instructions to make sure he gets that house! I daren’t attend as I don’t trust myself to manage my emotions, so trying to keep a poker face during negotiations just wouldn’t be possible!
Hopefully we’ll have some news by the end of the day… fingers crossed.
Whilst all this waiting has been going on, Mr Piglet and I have been keeping a close eye on the property market in our desired search areas in case we miss out on this house and so that we have a plan B. As of today we still don’t have a back up plan and will be homeless on February 15th but we’ve certainly viewed some more interesting properties:
The goats shed:

This was one of those properties were the estate agent annoys the hell out of you to go and visit, for once they remember your number and call you every other day asking when you’d like to view. Eventually, with nothing moving on our favourite property, we gave in and agreed to visit. Oh boy, was I angry when I go there.
We met the agent in the nearby town, it was a snowy day and thankfully we had snow tyres on the car. One of my criteria was to be close to local amenities (no more than a 5 minutes drive) so as we started to take windy, one track lanes up a steep hill, I realized that the location was going to be an issue. Of course, this was one of the things we had checked with the agent prior and he had reassured us that it was just a five minutes drive… 20 minutes of winding roads later we arrived… we were at the end of the road, we couldn’t go any further and we were surrounded by piles and piles of snow. We couldn’t even drive up the drive to the property so we just left the car on the road outside (it was so remote there was no traffic as there was no where to go!) and walked.
When we finally made the trek up the icy hill we were met with a fantastic, panoramic view of the mountains and the valley and a rather large goats shed.
This should be proof that you should never visit a property with no outside photos… I was so enraged that I didn’t even think to get my camera out for your benefit, but believe me when I say goat shed, it looked something like this:
Of course, it had been converted inside, but the first thing the agent said to us was that the asbestos roof wasn’t dangerous… WHAT? What planet is he on? Okay, so it may not be dangerous if you don’t come into contact with the dust particles, but does he have any idea how much it costs to remove and dispose of asbestos and then how much to re-roof? Fancy even beginning to imagine that this is the type of work a pregnant women would even consider undertaking!
A quick dash around the property confirmed my thoughts and I didn’t even bother going into most of the rooms. It was supposed to have been refurbished in a loft style (I am quite partial to industrial conversions as I currently live in a paper factory) but this was a joke. The floors were uneven, the studwork was not done correctly and the ceilings were just plasterboards nailed to bits of wood. The bathroom smelt of excrements and rot and the stairs were not safe – Mr Piglet didn’t even want me to go up them!
We made a sharp exit after about 10 minutes, our quickest visit yet, and started back down the hill onto our next visit:
The Ravinghouse:

Nestled between two hills we arrived at a rather bourgeois house, that was slightly out of budget but we had been told the owners were willing to accept an offer. The house was set in split level grounds and had a large double garage, 6 bedrooms and plenty of living space. However, it just wasn’t getting us excited and it was all rather “boring” compared to other stuff we had seen and of course the house we want to buy.
I’d pretty much written the house off and my thoughts were wandering to the journey home and turning on the heated car seats to ease my back pain (I am currently suffering from a bad back due to being pregnant, hence I’m not spending much time on the computer these days).
The estate agent led us down some stairs where we discovered an indoor pool area and gym space. I had not read the details so hadn’t been expecting this at all! It was Mr Piglet’s surprise for me as I’d said I wanted an indoor pool one day (I love swimming but cannot stand public pools and an outside pool, even if heated, just won’t cut it). It was a lovely pool but I still couldn’t see myself living in the house, it just didn’t have that wow factor.
Whilst Mr Piglet and the agent carried on looking around, I had noticed some doors, rather like stable doors on what looked like a building under the terrace. I then discovered a red door on the side of the wall and pushed it open to see where it led. Mr Piglet and the agent followed me as the agent had not been to the house in a long time and was not aware of any more rooms.
We entered what only can be described as a pub bar/nightclub complete with pole dancing pool, raised dance area and dance floor with chairs on the outside! We were all absolutely gobsmacked, this was completely not expected and the agent wasn’t even aware of it!
I was laughing so hard, I couldn’t resist taking some photos of this unexpected surprise:
We wrapped up the visit pretty quickly after that as I felt as if the bar/club area was used for some not so normal activities and was completely put off by the whole thing. How weird it was to have such an outfit as part of your house!
When we returned to the car I noticed the village name signpost was just outside the house – RAVIGNHOUSE! Okay, so the G and the N are the wrong way around but if you look at it quickly you read RAVING HOUSE – for me that just about said it all!







LOL! The Raving House sounds wild! Imagine the parties there were – just like LA style pad for American stars. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for the three of you and I hope Mr Piglet will be good in negotiations aka securing the house.
xox
Thanks! Yep, I can just imagine the parties although I am sure the guests were rather more countrified than the glamourous folks you can find in LA!
Thanks also for the tag over at yours! I’ve not been able to get on the PC much over the holidays due to a really bad back but I will do it
LOL! The Raving House sounds wild! Imagine the parties there were – just like LA style pad for American stars. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for the three of you and I hope Mr Piglet will be good in negotiations aka securing the house.
xoxo
Haha, that second house totally cracks me up!! I agree though that it seems kind of shady…don’t know if I would want a house with *that* kind of past. lol
LOL! Nor do I!
I hope Mr Piglet can come up trumps.
French estate agents can be amazingly bad. I’ve only ever met bad to middling, never good. They earn way too much, too for the work they (don’t) do.
I do believe that a good agent is worth being paid but unfortunately I’ve only come across a few. Half of them don’t do follow ups, don’t return calls, couldn’t care less about your criteria etc which drives me nuts!
Oh my goodness, I laughed, and laughed and laughed! What an adventure, such bizarre places you are visiting. I feel for you. Okay, I am sitting her crossing my fingers and toes for your number one house. xoxo
Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that such places existed! You wouldn’t though would you? I say welcome to France! This is obviously a side of France I never discovered before though…
I am so sorry that finding a home has been so difficult. I guess agents don’t work for you in France. I agree with you on the agent fees. My agent will get a truck load of money for about 8 hours worth of work and I found our new house myself. Hope all goes well today with the house you would like to buy.
The majority of French agents are a strange breed, they are not proactive like in the UK. I don’t mind paying someone if they do a job but here they just show up and open the door. As I said to Sarah higher up they don’t return calls and aren’t pro-active in any way
Piglet
Nice rant!
You know you’ve just got to buy the Raving House!
It’ll be perfect for you!
And Pole Dancing facilities en-suite!
All the best
Keith
LOL! This one came from the bottom of my heart, it’s so frustrating right now – we’ll be homeless in 6 weeks and will have a baby in under 4 months. Never, ever did I imagine that I would be in this situation so finding a house with a pole just took the biscuit!
Let me get this straight. You found what must humbly be described as THE GREATEST HOUSE EVER!!! and you didn’t like it. Pool/pole raves, it’ll be a great way to bring up the little piglet
Does make you wonder who owned the house before. Why they built a rave center in their basement. Some young rich playboy. Thank of the stories that pole could tell.
LOL! I can’t think what a rich, young playboy would do living there though… If it was closer to a large city or town I could imagine more but it was just plain weird!
Okay, so if I was a bit younger and didn’t have a bun in the oven then maybe I would be impressed! Afterall, I did buy our current place because it is an impressive party pad with outdoor pool
Agree with Wonky 1000%!
You’ve seen a house with a BAR, an INDOOR SWIMMING POOL and a POLE DANCER’S POLE and you’re thinking about it?
What’s there to think about?
Oh dear…
The youth of today!
All the best
Keith
P.S. You know that you really want that pole! Why not just go for it?
oh dear indeed… you’ve just made me feel “old” Keith!
I had a v animated discussion with a British agent here in France on the subject of their commission – they have to fork out a massive amount in taxes and charges on every sale, apparently so it is not all just money in their pocket. It’s the fee payable to the notaire which is ON TOP of the sale price that get me – for a property of €250,000, you would pay an additional 7% and 10% of the purchase price in fees and taxes (tamp duty registration taxes and disbursements), although I gather the actual notaire’s fee is only around 1% of the purchase price.
Looking forward to hearing how Mr Piglet got on today!
Hi Penny! I 100% agree with you ref the taxes we hand over in notary fees, they drive me wild! Owning property in France is taxed so heavily, especially with the taxe fonciere to pay every year as well
All businesses in France have to make a living with huge taxes and social charges, estate agents are no different and in Lyon a lot of agents manage to get by with 3% fees.
Where we’re looking, the average fee is between 5 and 8% depending on the agent and if they actually did their job then I wouldn’t mind, after all, all work merits pay. Regretfully however, they are glorified door openers, they do not follow up, return calls, do not know how to negotiate etc. They couldn’t care less about criteria or even bothering to discuss other properties that may be suitable. This agent didn’t even put forward our offer, or return our call for over a week!
Some of the British agents in France do work really hard and have more of a British work ethic than the French agents. They serve the customer and deserve to be paid, but just the very thought that an agent could get 18 000 Euros for taking my call and opening a door
I’m with Keith… I’m kinda liking Raving House
I’ll have to send you the address so you can buy it when you win the lotto!
I’m with Sara Louise – go for the pole dancing, indoor swimming pool with bar bordello!
Please Piglet, you’re only young once!
Buy the house, become Madame Sin of the Rhone-Alpes; invite Sara Louise to do guest spots for you (on the pole) and blog all about it!
It’s what you were born to do!
All the best
Keith
P.S. I don’t suppose you’d want me to do a survey on Garlic as to whether you should buy the porn-mansion?
LOL! no, no thanks Keith, I don’t think I need a survey as to whether we should buy the porn-mansion, I think my minds pretty made up that I’m over the hill! I have offered to send the address to Sara though
The raving house was wonderful!
They’re not that uncommon…there were three that I knew of in my time in France…a way of avoiding drink licences and all sorts of other beaurocracy.
Do hope you get the house you want and with you all the way on agents and their idleness and incompetence.
can you imagine the shock in discovering something like that? As you can see from the pictures it is well worn out as well! Lots of chips etc in the paintwork.
So these places must be popular in rural France then! It certainly makes for an interesting side line and is a different way of earning money from gites or b&b’s!
Hi can’t wait to find out if progress was made on the house that you want.
I don’t know how you did not just fire the agent.
I know why but still, it would make me crazy to continue with someone like that.
I do hope this is all over and the people are agreeable to your price.
besos !
I used to lie flat on the floor with my pregnant backaches
Hi Candice. Thanks for the tip on the pregnant backache, lying flat is the only way I can ease the pain at the moment so I am not very active to say the least! I have physiotherapy from tomorrow and am going to get a back support but I’m dreading the next three months!
We’re currently researching legitimate ways in which to fire an agent, unfortunately if you sign a bon de visite (a paper to say they showed you the property) with them they think they own you but some legal precedents have been set to show that you can still avoid using them if you have good reason.
I will be updating on the dream house very soon xxx
Rural France is a world away from city life…..making their own amusements is just part of it…but I can imagine the shock!
One I saw had a vaulted cellar with a swimming pool….really Gothic!
I gained a ridiculous amount of weight with my second child and my back hated me for it.
Lying flat on the floor ( or on a yoga mat) let everything fall into place and get some relief. I hope the physiotherapy does wonders for you ! I also carried a small pillow with me when I knew I would be sitting for long periods of time, car, movie , etc. It fit into the small of my back .. whatever helps, do it .. besos~
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